Personal Use?

[helldong]

I'm sorry if this is a really dumb question, but I was wondering if you can get Inferno for personal use for windows. Personal use as in on my laptop. I was looking around for a while and couldn't find a purchase place or a price. If Inferno isn't meant for personal use, can someone suggest something similar. I looked into Inferno because I'm trying to find a PC version of Shake/Motion.

A PC version of Motion would be great to have to do all of that 3d motion effect with my videos.

Thanks for your help.

[nathan]

All high end Autodesk applications from Flame, Flint, Inferno, and Smoke only are available on Linux and previously SGI machines. They come in turnkey packages that are in the range of your average house's price.

You can not get a windows version for any of these applications and the closest "all be it red headed step child version" that you can get is Autodesks Combustion.

Motion is an Apple product so you will only be able to get that for the Macintosh. Most people grab it in the Final Cut Studio package. Same goes for Shake, the last Windows version was 2.5, you can get an up to date version for Linux however.

[mike beckman]

After Effects, Fusion, and Nuke: all excellent substitutes, and in no way less effective.

[mboden]

What are you trying to do? I would stand with Mike on this one AFX, DF, NUKE will all get the job done for you. Once you learn one or two of these then you can get anything done that INFERNO/FLAME could do.

[Freak]

What are you trying to do?

I belive he is trying to find 'free' software. And I really don't know why you guys encourage that.

Why recomend software for people that don't even know what FFI is or that Shake and Motion are Mac only?

Those informations can be easily found on the respective web sites of their developers and with a little bit of research on the web or even in this forum.

If he had the smallest interest on actually aquiring software he would be better informed and know those things before posting that.

Now, how encoraging piracy and lazy users is good for the market?

Is this good for us that are part of the industry?

Is this good for the forum?

I don't think so, this sort of thing makes serious people start to avoid forums because of lame questions. Something that is happening too damn much often if you ask me on VFXTalk.

I know this is how web forums are suppose to work, meant for and stuff. But I think that it's about time to people start to look at this with a different perspective. Teaching newbies that forums are not meant to replace the developers support or as a quick hack to the F1 keys, manuals and research.

Simple measures would drastically improve the quality and relevance of informations found on a forum like this. And keep the good, professionals users around.



Just my to 0.001c

[Yossarian!]

Well said Freak.


I was wondering if you can get Inferno for personal use for windows.

If you have to ask, you wouldn't know what the hell to do with it even if you found it.

[mboden]

I belive he is trying to find 'free' software. And I really don't know why you guys encourage that.

Why recomend software for people that don't even know what FFI is or that Shake and Motion are Mac only?

Those informations can be easily found on the respective web sites of their developers and with a little bit of research on the web or even in this forum.

If he had the smallest interest on actually aquiring software he would be better informed and know those things before posting that.

Now, how encoraging piracy and lazy users is good for the market?

Is this good for us that are part of the industry?

Is this good for the forum?

I don't think so, this sort of thing makes serious people start to avoid forums because of lame questions. Something that is happening too damn much often if you ask me on VFXTalk.

I know this is how web forums are suppose to work, meant for and stuff. But I think that it's about time to people start to look at this with a different perspective. Teaching newbies that forums are not meant to replace the developers support or as a quick hack to the F1 keys, manuals and research.

Simple measures would drastically improve the quality and relevance of informations found on a forum like this. And keep the good, professionals users around.



Just my to 0.001c


Agree with you, I like to believe that people aren't doing this, (I'm not stupid know that this goes on). I also have try to avoid answering question that the help menu has or can be googled but if it an opinion question then I give people my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Yes VFX talk has started to get watered down with people who don't make an effort, at least it's not CG talk yet where no helps you, even if you ask an intelligent question. Yes I think that the site has enough info that we should just point to different earlier threads. I really dont want pro's to go away and be scared from hanging out here but I hvae seen a few regulars stop posting lately (maybe they are just busy).

[Freak]

Hey mboden,

I use to see those from the bright side of things and having hope with those type of users like you're saying, but not anymore. Things are either going out of control or there is a bunch of rich babies around that don't know where to throw their money so they buy all the available softwares on the market today just for the fun of it and to rant about their downsides.

You see posts from people asking pretty basic stuff about softwares that costs more then 4k and sometimes much more then that. They clearly state to have all the available softwares at their disposal. They have AE, C*, Fusion, Nuke, Shake, Lustre, but don't know how to open a single one of them, how is that possible?

Would you pay 4k for a software that you don't know the propose or how to use it?

I don't think so.

It's about time to put those damn users out of the forums and from the market which is even worst. If you want to get in... RTFM, search google, start from the begining, learn and then, just then post something useful that at least makes some sense.

I think forums should start to identify people by their real name (this alone would cut a huge part of the crappy users). Users should be ranked trough some basic tests and not by the number of posts (which is pointless). Forums would then be opened and accessible only to users who meet their respective rank. This would force newbies to help each other and would prevent people from facing this as a 'for fun' profession where everything is easy and for free. And the professionals, good users would post more and stick around to enjoy great useful discussions about VFX and related.

I would pay to have a really cool forum if necessary as long the attitude from the moderators and keepers of the site would be more hardcore regarding these things.

This is a profession with a pretty small market which we rely on to live and pay our bills, if we don't take it serious and make something to keep it no one will. And that chit, chat that bad people don't get into the industry is bolox, they do and they make everything cheaper. Usually the ones who say this are the ones that need a fan base to praise them or are just too confortable with how things are working for them without carrying for the market as whole. Eventually the crappy people don't survive in the market but the ones who do pay for the consequences.

I would really love to see something changing for the better but as most stuff in the world today it's just the opposite.

Well....:rolleyes:

[VFXTalkDotCom]

i think this is a very poor attitude, everyone deserves a helping hand dude.

flame is the holy grail of visual effects tools, is by far the coolest product on the market and windows is on 90% of the desktops so its understandable that someone would want the best of both worlds if they wanted to get into visual effects... and everyone deserves a chance to get into the visual effects field, just as we were all clueless one day ourselves.

shake is now $500 bucks anyone can afford it, and nuke is already $3500 and i bet when the new shake comes out prices will fall all around, so the barrier to entry isnt all that high...

also understand that while people dont condone giving software away, the software industry lives off of cracked software,.its the holy grail of marketing - it allows software developers to charge insanely high prices (did you say 4k?) because enough people got ahold of the stuff ahead of time, started using it, and needed to to finish the job so they were forced to pay for it

have you ever hear of a individual getting busted for pirating a copy of photoshop or shake or windows or office or anything else for that matter? better yet have you heard of software that was hard to crack?

i saw a really cool slide at intel on ESD the other day that broke down who pays for software and it was awesome. Americans pay for 95%, Europeans pays for about 70% and the rest of the world pays for about 5% - so basically Americans and Europeans fund every one elses power tools...

[VFXTalkDotCom]

that being said, to grow a industry you need to nurture it. you need to help more people get involved, learn the tools and keep it freash and cool and exciting so it doesnt evaporate.

we are in a age of convergence - 3d, vfx, editing are all coming togeather. the youtube generation has changed our world forever and is bringing video to the world in away never before possible - and those videos are growing up pretty fast, and need to look good to comete.

in addition, the tools are not only getting easier and more automated they are dirt cheap as well - used to be it cost $100k to buy a good 3 application that cold barely do what blender does today. its no longer about the tools but about the skills.

vfxtalk's membership is growing rapidly as a result of the media explosion and people are coming to learn from the pros. its up to the pros to help them out... to build the VFX industry, not shit on it.

The pros here have their own forums that, as with any community, they are free to police and promote to other pros keeping the beginners in the beginner zones and helping them out - instead of poking fun at them.

if you are unable to help others in a civilized manner then you need to stay in your box

[Freak]

i think this is a very poor attitude, everyone deserves a helping hand dude.

Well Jah what can I say.... I also think that serious people that at least make the minimum effort to learn deserve a helping hand, the rest I am really sorry to say but I think they do not.


flame is the holy grail of visual effects tools, is by far the coolest product on the market and windows is on 90% of the desktops so its understandable that someone would want the best of both worlds if they wanted to get into visual effects... and everyone deserves a chance to get into the visual effects field, just as we were all clueless one day ourselves.

Wanting is not a bad thing man. I want a Aston Martin but that doesn't mean I would steal one. In the real world if you want something you have to work to get it. Flame was the holy grail, it isn't anymore and if you want to start in the VFX field start like every reasonable person...from below. Read, research, invest and not steal, leech and so on.


shake is now $500 bucks anyone can afford it, and nuke is already $3500 and i bet when the new shake comes out prices will fall all around, so the barrier to entry isnt all that high...

Well man I have to say that I am aware that there are some people around the globe that can't even afford $500, I have nothing against then I really hope that they turn them selfs on kick ass compositors or what a nots. I just can't stand lazy people who tend to see things as easy as 'I get this $400,000,00 software here for free and then I sit and wait for the info come from other poor souls without even bothering about searching or reading the manuals'.

Also Nuke had a price reduction but they won't sell you without the maintenace which will add 1k to that, so it's 4.5k


also understand that while people dont condone giving software away, the software industry lives off of cracked software,.its the holy grail of marketing - it allows software developers to charge insanely high prices (did you say 4k?) because enough people got ahold of the stuff ahead of time, started using it, and needed to to finish the job so they were forced to pay for it

have you ever hear of a individual getting busted for pirating a copy of photoshop or shake or windows or office or anything else for that matter? better yet have you heard of software that was hard to crack?

I don't see how this relates to the behavior of users. I'm not talking about the software industry, I couldn't care less about it. I'm talking about the industry that I'm part of which is VFX services and not software development. And how we as part of that are going with the flow and let it happen.

I'm fully aware about how things works and about all the intentional software leaks. But as I said earlier this have nothing to do with our behavior and support for lazy newbies.


i saw a really cool slide at intel on ESD the other day that broke down who pays for software and it was awesome. Americans pay for 95%, Europeans pays for about 70% and the rest of the world pays for about 5% - so basically Americans and Europeans fund every one elses power tools...

I don't see how that could be faced as cool. That is a really good exemple of a really bad price policy and lack of incentive for development countries, students and people that are just starting.


Well you're probably right piracy is indeed a good thing for us and I'm probably insane for posting stuff like this, so I'm sorry for that.


Cheers,