ILM's Zeno

brogh · **ILM's Zeno -** August 13th, 2007, 03:49 PM

Hy,

I was wondering if someone in here (maybe someone that works at ILM) that can explain me alittle bit about ILM's Zeno.
What i want to know is Anything ( hahaha ), until this does not bring you to jail for violation of copyright.
I've found something surfin in the web, but nothing really specific, I'm really courious on how this thing works, and what it exactly is .

Cheers

hype · August 13th, 2007, 05:47 PM

well, i don't know much about Zeno (but would like to, as well!), but I can post the following stuff. I had started another thread over at SimplyCG showing screen captures of proprietary software from big shops. I did NOT take a screen shot where I work and post stuff (R&H, and I don't want to be responsible for posting stuff like that), but when others do, I happily link to them.

So, if you're interested, here's what I've got collected so far...

Rhythm & Hues Voodoo (tracking and animation)

Rhythm & Hues Icy (compositing) (old version)

ILM CompTime (compositing?)

ILM Facial animation plug-in for Softimage? (I think)

Rhythm & Hues Icy (current version)

MinaRagaie · R.I.P Dad 16/6/2007

Wow, Post more... emm.. no don't post..... Link to more

ShakeandBake · August 14th, 2007, 06:32 AM

NICE! ICY looks like a fusion of Fusion, Nuke, and Shake.

Quick question (if your allowed to answer) does ICY handle masks like Nuke or like Shake and Fusion(with a mask input)?

gottony · August 14th, 2007, 08:15 AM

Holy crap that's awesome, I agree with ShakeandBake, Icy looks like Nuke. Guess that's where people are going.

brogh · August 14th, 2007, 10:24 AM

hehe thank's for the post guys

These screenshots are great, but what I'm searching for is something more specific about Zeno .. is it a pipeline? a soft ? what the Hell is that thing ??

I've read something in some cg news website and in some cg magazines, but as I said nothing really specific.

Btw I appreciate your help

Cheers

gottony · August 14th, 2007, 10:37 AM

Found this on vfxworld:
http://vfxworld.com/?sa=adv&code=1e2...ticles&id=2608

It's a proprietary file format

hype · August 14th, 2007, 12:50 PM

Quote:

does ICY handle masks like Nuke or like Shake and Fusion(with a mask input)

well, I'm not much of a Shake user, never done anything serious in it, and Nuke I opened once, looked at the interface, and closed it. Fusion I used for many months at CafeFX, and I believe it works like that (although my memory of Fusion details has faded quite a bit).
You make a roto node, and the roto is the only thing in it (as many masks as you want), and whatever you hook it to is affected. Alot of people here say Icy is alot like Shake. I can vouch a hundred times over that Icy's interface, while looking a bit plain and boring, works MUCH more like Shake and Fusion than Nuke.

I spent a little bit this morning looking around again for Zeno screenshots, to no avail. People here who have worked at ILM say it's pretty much their new do-it-all software, and that CompTime isn't even being updated anymore. Apparently, Zeno does EVERYTHING - from 3d to tracking (3d and 2d) to painting to normal 2.5d compositing... everything. except modeling, i guess. But, I don't know, I've never worked there (yet).

the file format that article is talking about is the file Zeno saves, which can save ALL of that information.

Andreas.Jablonka · August 21st, 2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hype

well, I'm not much of a Shake user, never done anything serious in it, and Nuke I opened once, looked at the interface, and closed it. Fusion I used for many months at CafeFX, and I believe it works like that (although my memory of Fusion details has faded quite a bit).
You make a roto node, and the roto is the only thing in it (as many masks as you want),

ICY is much like shake and avid|ds it uses mask the same way, you can choose with channel to choose as well as if you want to invert it.
its not as fast a nuke but has full 3D support, including cards, 3d tracking (from voodoo) and model import. the roto tools are really awesome in icy

fin · August 23rd, 2007, 06:33 PM

Hype is right. It's their proprietary software, and it's 3D based. I used it for a couple of years, and from what I've heard it has developed into a pretty amazing package. I don't think they want people to talk about it much outside of the company, but I will say that it's one of the best 3D tracking programs I've ever seen. I don't believe it is or will ever be a do it all (2d/3d) package.