Paint Node

[rem7]

This is more of a rant about nuke's paint, or maybe I'm doing something wrong with the paint node, so advice is welcome.

I know that the paint node in Nuke is still considered to be in Beta, but there seems to be a huge feature missing, I would even call it a bug.

When I'm cloning, and I sample an area I cloned in that node nuke doesn't "source" from the painted area (what I see on the screen) it actually sources back from the input image. In other words I can't clone painted areas that have been cloned, very poor paint node implementation. I know this can be worked around by putting another paint node after and then cloning again, but thats just gonna add plenty of paint nodes that could be avoided.

This really sucks because our studio is in the process of transitioning from Shake to Nuke but the current job requires a lot of painting since we didn't get clean plates. We basically had 2 options: Paint in Shake composite in Nuke, or ditch Nuke and stay in Shake. Obviously we decided to stick with Shake for this project.

Don't get me wrong, I like Nuke and I'm happy with it, however there are still some (simple) things where good 'ol 10 year old Shake 2.5 is more effective than Nuke.

Rant over.

[theta]

yeah, i know. well how about the fact you can't even source a different frame? I mean, really? am I missing something on that one? What good is a clone brush if you can't source different frames than the one the play head is on?

edit: Nothing beats combustion's paint system.

[ZombieDUG]

Yeah I hate to say it, but Nuke's paint node has been in bad shape since the earliest versions. And I really have no idea when it'll get better. There was hope for 5.0, but I think they put more eggs into the Stereoscopic basket rather than fixing that very important missing feature.

Whenever we have any paint needing to be done, we just use Combustion and then bring in the fixed plates into Nuke.

[nidhogge242]

yeah, i know. well how about the fact you can't even source a different frame? I mean, really? am I missing something on that one? What good is a clone brush if you can't source different frames than the one the play head is on?

edit: Nothing beats combustion's paint system.

Couldn't you feed a timeoffset before one of the inputs? Dont have nuke in front of me so I can't check.

[tommy138]

I heard the foundry is still debating wether to improve the paint/roto part of nuke, make a seperate paint/roto package or buy an existing package.
I hope they just buy silhouette, and be able to use it in nuke. For me that would be ideal. (Nuke would finally have a timeline...yay!)

[Loga]

I hope they just buy silhouette, and be able to use it in nuke.

I hope Silhouette stays what it is (or was - version 2.3.1 for ever!) - a lean and fast dedicated roto and raster paint machine.

I haven't done that much roto in Nuke before but i think it has most of the basics you need in a comp package.
I agree though that the paint node is a catastrophe. I think everybody would be happy if it had at least something close to Shake's Quickpaint.

[rem7]

I hope Silhouette stays what it is (or was - version 2.3.1 for ever!) - a lean and fast dedicated roto and raster paint machine.

I haven't done that much roto in Nuke before but i think it has most of the basics you need in a comp package.
I agree though that the paint node is a catastrophe. I think everybody would be happy if it had at least something close to Shake's Quickpaint.

I agree. Even the node name says it all: "Quickpaint"

Just like the saying:
"The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."

If you want really good roto tools you can step out of a compositing program and use Silhouette.. and the same goes for painting. But the compositing program should still have some of these tools. They are basic and fundamental for compositing. I don't want photoshop inside of Nuke, just simply something that works, the paint node has been in beta forever.