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  1. #1 Exclamation So I got an Email From Jah today... 
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    tl;dr:
    http://vfxsoldier.wordpress.com/2010...cg-censorship/
    http://search.twitter.com/search?q=vfxtalk
    http://conradolson.com/why-i-removed...nk-to-vfx-talk

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    Its one thing to blow your temper, to offend MANY users, rant and spew racist viewpoints, and effectively rip out the foundation to your own forum, all the while keeping it contained withIN the forum, but when you get an email from the moderator, using (read: abusing) their ability to send a news letter to all members of the forum and then to fill it with their justifications for their racist and hot tempered views, that is where I draw the line.

    If you keep bringing up or reminding everyone of all the topics that were hotly debated by many of the prominent users of this forum, you're going to keep opening up wounds for those who want to make amends and keep this site going.

    I can not be a part of this forum any longer. You have crossed the line sending your bullshit lies and "justifications" for your "actions" to my email. I want so badly to keep supporting this site, passing on my knowledge that I have both learned from my own experiences as well as learned from being passed down to me through this very forum, but I can't any more as the moral integrity of this site is crumbling and being left for crows to peck at.

    Jah, your actions will cost you and everyone a part of this forum a heavy toll in knowledge and resources and this site will once again fall into a depression, with nothing but amateurs and "hobbyists" crawling around blindly spamming for help. India and China may be developing countries, but there is NO excuse for dragging them in to support your views and to use them as propaganda and justification for your beliefs. You've essentially turned the people you want to help the most, into the most hated because you have brought them into this, constantly referring to them, constantly blaming others for them and their problems, always speaking on their behalf as though you were their ambassador, not once considering that it isn't "The Americas vs. the developing world", but rather, we're all in this together and to share our knowledge with everyone pushes the cutting edge of our industry GLOBALLY. Did you ever stop to consider that those countries might use this site to access knowledge they'd never be able to either A) afford, or B) learn due to their geographical location? And where do you think most of the top-end talent is located? So how does alienating one and offending another help to bridge this world and help share knowledge? What happens now? You're the apple of your developing country's eye. They all love you, because you've opened up the VIP forums, and offered VIP Status to those in specific parts of the world who you have PITTY over because you feel they are being witheld benefits because of their nationality or financial status. So now you have a bunch of fresh people, who are still trying to get into the industry, still trying to learn, altogether just starting out, and now there's no one here to give guidance. Just juniors and hobbyists leading each other, or metaphorically, the blind leading the blind. And whats going to happen? Someone is going to say "well shit, I'm not finding my answer here, i'll try searching elsewhere". And where do they end up? At a tutorial site! On other forums, and bloggers offering their advice! And guess what. The majority of those sites they'll end up running into? On the other side of their world. And THOSE people could of been here, helping, offering advice, guiding beginners, but no, we've gone right back to being fragmented again as this was one of the largest VFX knowledge-base hubs on the net.

    To think, this site crumbled like the berlin wall in HOURS just because you decided to "crowd-source" for a project, and then when people called YOU out on the moral implications of that, your own pride and fear of being labeled as an abuser of labor, you decided to create a storm around you defending your views, justifying them by using other's work conditions and nationalities as well as playing the race card foolishly, as fodder to feed the flame war, which soon spread like a wild fire, ruining everything this site once was, all because of your pride and temper. You're an absolute perfect definition of a hypocrite. You're doing all of this asinine "liberating" on the forums to help support the abused artists of developing countries, ONLY TO PROVE that you would NEVER abuse vfx artists, and this all originally stemmed from you trying to abuse your power and get a project done for cheap, with cheap labor (crowd-sourcing).

    With all of this said, I regret none of it. And you would be wise to leave this here, untouched, and unmodified, as a testament against your ridiculous management and personality for others to read and voice their own opinions about your actions, in hopes that one of us will eventually break through your wall of ignorance and you'll come to your senses. IF you delete this, or modify this in anyway, I WILL scatter this post as a screenshot into the net for the entire world to see and judge. Your views have already been logged in their entirety UNEDITED here: http://vfxsoldier.wordpress.com/2010...cg-censorship/ and you'll never be able to remove that. Same can happen to this post. Thousands already know whats happened here, people are tweeting http://search.twitter.com/search?q=vfxtalk, blogging (http://conradolson.com/why-i-removed...nk-to-vfx-talk), and linking back to this, and the vfxsoldier post, and I guarantee you, there is no recovering from this. I hope you've learned something from this experience.
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    I considered writing a post about this. It wasn't pleasant at all getting this email and I really dont see the point of this email, more than getting a sort of undisputed last word in.
    Jah should be smarter then this. It will do nothing besides prolonging the unpleasantness that's been going on here recently.

    And I really don't see why VIP should be opened free of charge to anyone based on where they live?
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    as far as i see it, there hasn't been any race-related stuff on this forum untill a couple of weeks ago when jah started making his post. There was noob bashing going on (and i agree that sometimes it was a bit over the top). And it's true that there were a lot of indian people making their first post, but i don't feel that there was any particular focus going on that. Nor did was there any "they are taking our job" going on or any disrespect towards the many indian/chinese VFX artists (read, people with experience) on this forum.

    I don't know if Jah has some personal frustrations, or have been reading too many articles about "the industry" in stead of actually living in it and see the reality, all i know is that it seems like he's taking the forum down with these kind of mails...

    A shame to see the current state of a forum which i have been an active member of for quite some years...

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    It is great to see how of the professionals here are supporting the wrong doings of the ones who were doing the bashing and slagging instead of getting behind it and owning up. it just shows that your attitudes wont change and further justifies what we are doing here.

    It doesnt matter how much you complain, or blame me, you are in the wrong for your actions. VFXtalk ceased to be a place where people come to look for help when you started bashing people who came to look for help and started to fight against the vfx artists in india.

    We are happy to be supporting them and are pleased to be probably the only site in our industry who has openly and vocally come out against this even if it means destroying the site itself, but for us this is totally unacceptable.

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    please show us examples/links to threads where people were 'fighting against vfx artists in india"! just saying it over and over doesn't mean it ever happened.

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    Sorry Jah, Unsatisfactory response.

    People weren't bashing and slagging, people were speaking out against your attempts at crowd-sourcing. As much as you try to make it about race, it never will be. VFX Artists regardless of where they work can expect to be protected from taking advantage of by people like you whatever forum they are posting on.

    If you were speaking the truth, there'd be evidence. There isn't, but there is this...
    http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6...umsitallup.gif

    As Chris put it, Show us some evidence.

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    It is also not evident to me. There is more myth than facts, I would say.
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    The mods deleted a lot of the threads that were considered biased and prejudiced, but I am sure if you read the remarks and feedback from some of the Indian posters here you will be able to see that this is not coming from my imagination.

    If you work in the industry then you also know it to be true, there are no idiots here. You cant hide from it you must have know it would come back to find you.

    Hmmm, think I know what this is about... And I think it's a great thing that Jah is doing. There's been a lot of VFXtalkers not paying proper respect to their peers in other countries. Bravo.
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    obviously you have a better opium-dealier than me, because i fail to see it.
    the only thing i see instead is a lot of indian-people with post-counts around 2,3 asking for VIP-memberships, although it was quite clearly stated that there's a limit for the membership. no need to comment this, really...

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    Jah,you are demented
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    Oh oh oh! I found Matt P (banned user) being racist towards an Indian user here : http://www.vfxtalk.com/forum/z-chann...8.html?t=19968

    Oh wait... Nevermind. No.. No...

    Here he is being racist to a guy from Mumbai!
    http://www.vfxtalk.com/forum/fresher...6.html?t=26226

    Ah... Drats!
    Last edited by Hybrid-Halo; January 18th, 2011 at 03:45 AM.

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    I also agree (great post and thanks for putting it in words dotcommer) and think that Jah is quite frankly delusional. I'm sure I shall now be banned.

    I use to vist this site daily so I'm quite aware of what's been happening. And, as dotcommer stated Jah you're blowing this way out of proportion just to try and justify your own actions.

    I'm also guessing by mod's cleaning threads you mean yourself Jah. As I haven't seen a mod hanging around here for years. I believe they probably lost faith in you long before this episode. Which has now caused me to loose all faith in this site and you as an owner/administrator.
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    You guys know whats up, we only banned outright jerks not people with sensible feedback. But you also know that most of what I am is saying is true, and what has been happening in the industry is morally wrong, weather you admit it or not. You all are just pissed that I have taken a open stance against it even if its at the cost of this site.

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    I'd say hardly any of the people you banned were outright jerk's. They were often helpful and just got fed-up of the constant influx of questioned easily answered by searching or reading the manual.

    If you were actually active you might of been able to form a more rounded opinion of these people.

    For example tommy138 (using him as someone else had found useful posts by him) has put alot of time into the community. I think he even started one of those "ask the artists" threads. But, because in a thread which happened to be active when you decided to drop into the site; where he was been negative towards stupidity. He is banned.

    Seems just...

    Also I resent been branded as a racist by you. You don't know me or anyone else on here. I think most VFX artists are actually extremely tolerant people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jah View Post
    You guys know whats up, we only banned outright jerks not people with sensible feedback. .
    Point them out, please. If these guys were outright jerks it shouldn't take much searching : http://www.vfxtalk.com/forum/search....archid=2455464

    Delusional.

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